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Angels, atonement, propitiation, God's character
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04/11/07 04:41 PM
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This is off the subject, so you can skip it if you want, but I'm curious, why didn't the sin of Lucifer require propitiation?
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Re: True Conversion Described
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why didn't the sin of Lucifer require propitiation? I think Lucifer's case was special. But as for the rest of the angels, I don't know. And I'm not so sure that there wasn't some kind of propitiation.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: True Conversion Described
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04/12/07 07:24 PM
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Why was Lucifer's case special?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: True Conversion Described
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04/12/07 07:26 PM
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Here's a comment from George Fifield, a contemporary of Jones and Waggoner, I like. We have a conversation a while back on this subject, which I can't remember if you took part in. Anywhere, here's the statement: The life of Christ was not the price paid to the Father for our pardon; but that life was the price which the Father paid to so manifest his loving power as to bring us to that repentant attitude of mind where he could pardon us freely. (God is Love 33-34.)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: True Conversion Described
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Why was Lucifer's case special? As the covering cherub, he beheld the full glory of God, yet sinned. I don't think there was any hope for him once he decided to rebel.
By God's grace, Arnold
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Re: True Conversion Described
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The life of Christ was not the price paid to the Father for our pardon; but that life was the price which the Father paid to so manifest his loving power as to bring us to that repentant attitude of mind where he could pardon us freely. (God is Love 33-34.) A repentant attitude is certainly necessary for pardon. But I'm not sure if it is sufficient. The blood required for the remission of sins sticks out in my mind.
By God's grace, Arnold
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Re: True Conversion Described
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Tom: Why was Lucifer's case special?
Arnold: As the covering cherub, he beheld the full glory of God, yet sinned. I don't think there was any hope for him once he decided to rebel.
Before he had gone to far, but after he had started down his path, God offered to forgive his sin and reinstate him, without Christ's having to die. So Lucifer could have been pardoned and reinstated with blood. This is what I getting at. That is, why Lucifer could have been pardoned without Christ having to die.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: True Conversion Described
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04/15/07 03:58 AM
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I'm not sure how angelic atonement works. But the Bible is pretty clear about the requirement of blood for the remission of human sin.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: True Conversion Described
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04/15/07 04:18 AM
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I agree. But why? Isn't that an important thing to understand?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: True Conversion Described
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04/15/07 03:50 PM
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I'm not sure that it's important to understand now. Maybe the gaps will be filled under the Tree of Life.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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